Nn-xt Advanced Sampler
Posted : admin On 12.01.2020It seems that you are using phrases whereas QV is talking about notes. So when you transpose of course you end up with a host of issues. To be fair, this is not really the most common use for samplers over the course of their history so you are doing something outside the realm of normal. The other option, of course, is that you play each phrase appropriately transposed for each new key. Downside is the time involved. Upside is that the transposition are all appropriate (as opposed to block chromatic like those old House chords).
With Reason opening up to VST you could look into the new generation of samplers and re-samplers that do amazing things with samples. Kombucha wrote:I am making samples of complex acoustic guitar licks that I've written for a track, and the time shift is certainly noticeable even only a couple of semitones away from the root sample. This is expected behavior from using only a single sample. This is why you're supposed to have multiple samples of various pitch.
The solution is, of course, to get more samples. Read back in the thread and you'll find the reason the OP does not want (and cannot use) the approach you suggest. When dealing with musical phrases, time stretch/pitching is the only solution - unless you have access to the original instrument/recording setup and the skills to play each phrase in every key (something not every instrument can do well, even if the musician playing it CAN). Sent from some crappy device using Tapatalk. Kombucha wrote:I am making samples of complex acoustic guitar licks that I've written for a track, and the time shift is certainly noticeable even only a couple of semitones away from the root sample. This is expected behavior from using only a single sample. This is why you're supposed to have multiple samples of various pitch.
The solution is, of course, to get more samples. Read back in the thread and you'll find the reason the OP does not want (and cannot use) the approach you suggest. When dealing with musical phrases, time stretch/pitching is the only solution - unless you have access to the original instrument/recording setup and the skills to play each phrase in every key (something not every instrument can do well, even if the musician playing it CAN). Sent from some crappy device using Tapatalk Yes, but he said he's the one creating the samples by playing the guitar. So the approach doesn't make sense. Why not create the samples you want instead of creating just one and trying to make the rest by changing the laws of physics in post processing? I must be completely missing something here.
Kombucha wrote:I am making samples of complex acoustic guitar licks that I've written for a track, and the time shift is certainly noticeable even only a couple of semitones away from the root sample. This is expected behavior from using only a single sample. This is why you're supposed to have multiple samples of various pitch. The solution is, of course, to get more samples. Read back in the thread and you'll find the reason the OP does not want (and cannot use) the approach you suggest. When dealing with musical phrases, time stretch/pitching is the only solution - unless you have access to the original instrument/recording setup and the skills to play each phrase in every key (something not every instrument can do well, even if the musician playing it CAN).
Sent from some crappy device using Tapatalk Yes, but he said he's the one creating the samples by playing the guitar. So the approach doesn't make sense.
Why not create the samples you want instead of creating just one and trying to make the rest in post processing? Two words: artistic license. The two approaches sound different. BUT, they would also sound different if played in every key, due to the way a guitar works.
And again, some keys may not even be possible in some cases, so this approach may be the only alternative. Sublunar wrote:Then instead of using a real guitar for sampling, why not use an already sampled instrument device that will play the notes in the desired sequence without the time stretching issues? ID8 has a guitar instrument IIRC and there's the softube/line6 amps. Just seem like lots of ways to achieve the result he's going for. Unless, again, I'm totally missing the intended purpose.
It's not the same and won't sound nearly as good. What you propose is actually even more complex and requires playing the same complex acoustic (no amps involved) guitar lick on an entirely different instrument. As I linked to earlier in the thread, there are samplers that do exactly what he wants to do automatically. The NNXT just doesn't, so manual time stretch is the only other way. Kombucha wrote:I've also mapped out a potential shortcut for what I want to achieve with the sequencer, but I won't bother even floating the idea since you're being so pig headed. I'm sure there's some miscommunication in here somewhere but all the same, I'm very curious about this short cut and I've not kicked anyone in the anything so eh.
Care to post it anyway? I think witg texting there will always be a problem as you cant hear someones tone,if you know them personally you may learn a idea of the way they type so this dont happen, with strangers it can be hard to guage i think sometimes ☺ Shit I do it with my friends. Even worse wit girlfriends! I try v hard not to argue in text, email, forum, what have you. Never goes well. Too much projecting.
Nn Xt Sampler
Kombucha wrote:I've also mapped out a potential shortcut for what I want to achieve with the sequencer, but I won't bother even floating the idea since you're being so pig headed. I'm sure there's some miscommunication in here somewhere but all the same, I'm very curious about this short cut and I've not kicked anyone in the anything so eh.
Care to post it anyway? I think witg texting there will always be a problem as you cant hear someones tone,if you know them personally you may learn a idea of the way they type so this dont happen, with strangers it can be hard to guage i think sometimes ☺ Shit I do it with my friends. Even worse wit girlfriends! I try v hard not to argue in text, email, forum, what have you. Never goes well.
Too much projecting. I think texting in general is not a great way to communicate after a while you just want to see some human flesh in front of you, (not in a hannibal lector way though lol). Kombucha wrote:I've also mapped out a potential shortcut for what I want to achieve with the sequencer, but I won't bother even floating the idea since you're being so pig headed. I'm sure there's some miscommunication in here somewhere but all the same, I'm very curious about this short cut and I've not kicked anyone in the anything so eh.
Care to post it anyway? I think witg texting there will always be a problem as you cant hear someones tone,if you know them personally you may learn a idea of the way they type so this dont happen, with strangers it can be hard to guage i think sometimes ☺ Shit I do it with my friends. Even worse wit girlfriends! I try v hard not to argue in text, email, forum, what have you. Never goes well.
Too much projecting. I think texting in general is not a great way to communicate after a while you just want to see some human flesh in front of you, (not in a hannibal lector way though lol) I like it generally. Like communicating in haiku!
Kombucha wrote:I've also mapped out a potential shortcut for what I want to achieve with the sequencer, but I won't bother even floating the idea since you're being so pig headed. I'm sure there's some miscommunication in here somewhere but all the same, I'm very curious about this short cut and I've not kicked amnyone in the anything so eh. Care to post it anyway? I think witg texting there will always be a problem as you cant hear someones tone,if you know them personally you may learn a idea of the way they type so this dont happen, with strangers it can be hard to guage i think sometimes ☺ Shit I do it with my friends. Even worse wit girlfriends!
I try v hard not to argue in text, email, forum, what have you. Never goes well. Too much projecting. I think texting in general is not a great way to communicate after a while you just want to see some human flesh in front of you, (not in a hannibal lector way though lol) I like it generally. Like communicating in haiku! Nice ambient music by the way maybe you wanna give me another answer on my drone question.
ShawnG wrote:Im not really sure of exactly what you are trying to accomplish, so forgive me, but have you tried bouncing your loop to a rex and using dr octorex? You can automate per slice pitches and also automate which loop the slice is playing from in the sequencer? The problem with creating Rex files in Reason is that they don't contain tempo information so the timestretching doesn't occur so you'd still need to pitch the files before bouncing. Aside from that, there are only 8 slots so you can't get two octaves. QVprod wrote: The problem with creating Rex files in Reason is that they don't contain tempo information so the timestretching doesn't occur so you'd still need to pitch the files before bouncing. Aside from that, there are only 8 slots so you can't get two octaves.
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Actually, on the 8-slot Dr Rex deck, you couldn't even achieve a one octave range. You don't need to - the reason to use REX (if it even works in this case) is to avoid having more than one sample per phrase. As a REX file, if you're able to get enough slices in the right places, you can freely transpose from the keyboard and the slices will keep the phrase in time. Sent from some crappy device using Tapatalk.